Werewolves curse or gift?

[Galist]

Alrighty, please give me some thoughts about lycanthropy.

I believe it is both curse and gift,
a curse in the way of being critisized, called an abomination, mobs, and banishment from you proverb.
in the way of gift, unatural sneses, sexual oras, super strength and agility. and the blessing of being that much closer to nature....

these are my views, please feel welcome to share your feelings, and/or thought of the Werewolf. :)

[Sinner Chrono]

i think it's a Gift.
i would love to be a werewolf.
sexual oras.. now that's a frist
so being a werewolf get's you more tail.. nice :-p

[Guest]

Depends on how you use it. If you can't accept it, it's a curse. If you use it to your advantage, its a gift.

[Night Wolf]

I think it's a gift. I'm already criticized by the society being a human! XD
T'would be good to be a werewolf...*sigh*

[TheClock]

I agree with that...if the person cannot appreciate/respect what he's been dealt then the person has been cursed.

If the person does, and over time hones in on his abilitys to configure his style, then it's a gift, because the person has learn to live with it.

[Lycanthropy]

I believe it's a gift, as long as you can control it.

[Barrin]

I dunno.... I think it's a gift as long as can control it, like others have said. However, you would have to live your life in seclution due to people freaking out and all. Super strength, great. Agility, awesome. Social status, errr.... well..... not so good.... That's my view of it anyhow. I'd love to be one, but that would cause me to live in seclution.... at least in full moons.

[GeladaKang]

I feel strongly feel that it is a gift :shift:

[Tyraelis]

:eyebrow:

Hmmm... that's a good one.
Well, the earliest know dates when vampires, werewolves, and all kinds of anthromorphic myths came about were sometime before the Renaissance, during the Medieval Ages. The (Roman Catholic) Church, at that time, wielded great power and control over the people's minds. They were stamping out paganism and introducing their monotheistic faith to the "converts".

Werewolves, or other legendary creatures, would have been maligned for their place in cultures and their abilities. Enhanced senses of smell, hearing, touch, and heightened strength and stamina would have been tempting gifts to people (think hunters, poachers, about everyone) before the Clergy could sway people with dogma and condemn beings with non-human shapes as unholy (as was frequently done).

So, in the way that I completely changed from topic, I feel that being a werewolf would be a gift.

[Arsenic]

I guess both, your social status would take magor hits and there are various things you just could not do. The phisical bonusses are a nice thing but not enough to sway my vote.

[Tyraelis]

I guess both, your social status would take magor hits and there are various things you just could not do. The phisical bonusses are a nice thing but not enough to sway my vote.

Well, wouldn't the public (or resident populace) only know of a werewolf living in the area? As in, if a werewolf were to be careful to not be discovered, they could continue living normal, human-ish lives during the daytime or times when they aren't in the shape of a werewolf?

[Arsenic]

But you are seriously restricted along the lines of nightlife and affairs with others.

[Tyraelis]

True, true, as long as the idea that werewolves are constricted by the lunar patterns, and even then, isn't the common belief that werewolves only have a problem on full moons?

So one is only out of action one day (perhaps two on blue moons) a month. Nothing dreadful, right? I mean, it could be marked off on a calendar.

[Arsenic]

:angry: Werewolves are such a difficuilt thing to talk about, ther are so many different interpetations of the same thing, and worst of all nobody is really wrong. :wink:

True, this you could live with, allthough going on murderous rampages and waking up covered in the bloody remains of the cow you slaughtered that night ( if you do ) can hardly be pleasant.

[Lycanthropy]

It may take a bit to learn control, but would still be great if you could find other werewolves :female_shift:. And what if it hurt during the transformation sequence? You're screams could alarms others.Imagine it could look like this at some time for a woman supposedly:
http://gryf.feathers.net/albums/Transformation-Singles/melwuf.sized.jpgFrom Gryg's Gallery.

[TheClock]

Thats the beauty of Werewolves.

It's basically a immaginary charecter, which can be molded into different scenarios because after all it is a immagination.

[Tyraelis]

Seems like someone took a shot of a woman posed in that crouch, then rendered over it. Really, parts of the body clearly have not been rendered. And if it was drawn over, there wasn't an included "fade-out" of hair growth to show progression.

Still, "growing pains". I still think it'd be a gift even if it's painful.

[Leo]

Well ...I think it depend basically about the concept of "werewolf ".

So what it's a werewolf?...a man forced to change into a bloody murderer wolfman every night of full moon?, a werecreature and so a different being capable to shift and live between these 2 species?... :shift:

Obviously the first idea (very hollywood style) is basically the "curse idea"...funny now that I think about the latest werewolf film "Cursed" ...a title focused on that theme...when all the movie show how strong, skilled, high senses you can become... what was wrong then being a werewolf for those guys?.. the movie even showed how a skilled werewolf girl could actually force her shifts ...so there was no curse after all XD, anyway...that movie wasn't that good at all, the end really sucks.

So...being something better than a human isnt a curse ...I recall "wolf" ..yeah the movie with Jack Nicholson ...I loved the idea displayed there , shame thre wasn't any real tf or a werewolf as anyon imagine them...but the idea of get better in all senses literally was something to think about... and in the process what make different this diea of "cursed" is that the human emotions start to get rided by the wolf instincts... and it change the way the human was...I mean how was his original personality..., but there is something wrong about be more "animal"?...

The concept of become an animal is about beign free of what the human society is... free your emotions without regrets...just feeling as a wolf could be.

Now for me would be a curse could become a wolf...but NOT BE the wolf...., that would awfull XD... because in that case isn' t just your body becoming a wolf...is your min changing as well...what left of you then?. And im not talking about the first idea... about becoming a bloody-creature because wolves aren't that..., wolves are dirven by their instincts and thats all.

So again, be capable to have the high senses of a wolf would be awesome and not curse at all...now change into a werewolf and still have you mind would be even better...only if you're capable to keep your secret well enough :closedgrin: ...so basically at the end it depend of the angle view that you have...or the story or fiction has ...


Like..., is a curse your life?, yeah I have a job I dont like and duty to do...:P but I still have times to get free and howl ^^... see?...just the opposite to the old hollywood ide XD...and I like that way of thinking.

:howl:

[Arsenic]

It is probable that a werewolf would be more agressive than a normal wolf ( that isn't very agressive when you get right down to it ) for Humans ( like most omnivores ) are quite agressive animals.

[Galist]

Originally posted by Arsenic@Sep 17 2005, 07:51 AM
It is probable that a werewolf would be more agressive than a normal wolf ( that isn't very agressive when you get right down to it ) for Humans ( like most omnivores ) are quite agressive animals.

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well, if your using humans as an example...it depends on the personallity, plus the fact that a persons will depends on his/hers experiances in life. The fact is, werewolves do not have to be agressive, they dont have to be afriad, there is no FORCED state of mind, take a human, put them in a anthrowolfic form.
really the only difference in mind and body is that the mind is focusing on higher senses, and the body has morphed, so you friend is a werewolf in werewolf form, the only REAL differense is the form, they are still your friend. then again if they want the wolf deep down to be free, it doesn't mean that your in perril, usually if the master if a animal likes you, the animal will too, USUALLY.

so, i do consider it a gift.:) :headbanger:

[Arsenic]

I was not saying that they were agressive ( in the form of attacking people ) but I was saying that they would be more agressive then normal wolves if the human side factored, I was also not talking about any spesific person but in the group in general. Per individual you could fit any description to any species.

You are confusing agressiveness ( the mental state ) with agression ( the action ).
The agressiveness does differ between each individual but for a normal healthy one it is between certain bounds ( wich are different per species ).
It is a fact that a omnivore is more agessive than a carnivore and a human will more likely show agression in a relative similar then a wolf.

I am not implying that a person will be in peril around a werewolf, the human intellect can suppress instincts and emotions ( the ability is different per person ). And like you said that even iff there was no human ( like intellect ) they will probably retain the same friend/foe designations, but you would probably still be in more danger than around a real wolf who likes you.

[Galist]

Originally posted by Arsenic@Sep 18 2005, 01:08 PM
I was not saying that they were agressive ( in the form of attacking people ) but I was saying that they would be more agressive then normal wolves if the human side factored, I was also not talking about any spesific person but in the group in general. Per individual you could fit any description to any species.

You are confusing agressiveness ( the mental state ) with agression ( the action ).
The agressiveness does differ between each individual but for a normal healthy one it is between certain bounds ( wich are different per species ).
It is a fact that a omnivore is more agessive than a carnivore and a human will more likely show agression in a relative similar then a wolf.

I am not implying that a person will be in peril around a werewolf, the human intellect can suppress instincts and emotions ( the ability is different per person ). And like you said that even iff there was no human ( like intellect ) they will probably retain the same friend/foe designations, but you would probably still be in more danger than around a real wolf who likes you.

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errrr um....i AGREE! stop the intelect battle i cannot do it!!! im too stupid, please forgive me from mis interpreting your words! :D we are all friends here :D :cry:

[Indiana_Jones]

Read Blood and Chocolate, it is a great werewolf novel and other werewolf books that is good.

[Magugag]

Personally, I think that if being a werewolf were treated as a curse and a transformed werewolf lost their mind, it wouldn't really matter how a real wolf acts or not. I never thought that the cursed werewolf was supposed to act like a wolf or even a human. I think of it as the whole darker side coming out thing. Because yes, wolves are actually very timid around humans and likely would not attack one unless there only was one and they had gone without food for a time. Besides, a werewolf is a lot bigger/stronger/tougher than a real wolf or a human, right? Otherwise a simple gunshot would take care of them.

I personally prefer the cursed version myself in writing and movies, and if I write about a werewolf that's the one that I'll use. Oh, and by the way, Indiana Jones has it right. Blood and Chocolate was an excellent read. :closedgrin:

And that's it for my first post on these forums folks.

[Leo]

Originally posted by Magugag@Sep 20 2005, 06:21 PM
Personally, I think that if being a werewolf were treated as a curse and a transformed werewolf lost their mind, it wouldn't really matter how a real wolf acts or not. I never thought that the cursed werewolf was supposed to act like a wolf or even a human. I think of it as the whole darker side coming out thing. Because yes, wolves are actually very timid around humans and likely would not attack one unless there only was one and they had gone without food for a time. Besides, a werewolf is a lot bigger/stronger/tougher than a real wolf or a human, right? Otherwise a simple gunshot would take care of them.

I personally prefer the cursed version myself in writing and movies, and if I write about a werewolf that's the one that I'll use. Oh, and by the way, Indiana Jones has it right. Blood and Chocolate was an excellent read.* :closedgrin:

And that's it for my first post on these forums folks.

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Heh :welcome:

[Arsenic]

Nah, worries Galist, people interpret me all the times. :closedgrin:

[Убейте Волка]

Curse becuase it looks like it hurts like a mother... and you only get this for what, a night? and it it happens again? its like traffic in Texas...

Gift becuase werewolves just flat out look cool and there fast and strong.




and umm you say Sexual Oras? thats a new one on me.... and since theres probably not alot of werewolves, and that werewolves are created by the bite another, right? that sounds like a really violent and grotesque rape...

[sin.]

i think it's a Gift.
i would love to be a werewolf.
sexual oras.. now that's a frist
so being a werewolf get's you more tail.. nice :-p
i agree :closedgrin: though i believe that it also depends on the kind of werewolf (half man half beast werewolf, man-wolf, blood thirsty or controled and selfconsious, etc...). i would call being one of Leo's werewolves a gift because they are in control of there actions and not mindless killers. :angry:

[Flashpoint Gold]

Lyncanthropy is a mental illness that the person that has it believes they are a wolf. You all have really good points.

[Bladewolf_Carlile]

In the stories i had written in the lycanthropes saga, i say it is both a gift and a curse:

Gift - you feel more pwoerful, have more sexual urges and being ablke to change at free willl and wanting to run away from the stresses and the human life is cool

curse- sometimes you can experiance uncontrollable change, maybe a lightly more agressive feeling and in extreme case when rage form happens it won't be pleasent

In summary providing you treat the wolf form carefully and respectifually it will be a gift, but if you let it to get a better of you it will be a curse. :shift:

[Flashpoint Gold]

It would be a gift :closedgrin: if you can control it and it would most likely be a curse :angry: if you can't. Atleast that is what I think I don't know about you guys.

[wolfman]

I stongly think that if your lycky enough to be a werewolf that it's definitely a gilft :smile:

[Flashpoint Gold]

But what if you go on a rampage and kill alot of people. Would that be a gift!?

[Mooncannon]

Heh heh it all depends on your outlook.


Some would think it's a violation of identy.

While others a wonderful experince to become something more than just themselves .


I'm for the latter :closedgrin:

[wolfman]

Well..... if you feel like eating some people it's still a girf no :wtf:

you don't neserly have to kill every one or go a rampage :eyeroll2:

[Mooncannon]

quite true. :evilgrin:

[Aim_B0T]

Born or Bitten? That would decide it for me.
As a born werewolf, or something inherit that you had from the start would be a gift, since you grew into it, and you set your social standards around it.
Bitten, or as most comics, latent inherency, would be a curse, for It would be like someone ripped you from your life. Your personality wouldnt fit, Your friends would most likely be ailianated for one reason or another, and you have to distance yourself from humanity.
No mans an island.
In my personal opinion, A curse it is. You'd lose the one thing that everyone has in common. Being Human. (and no, your not becomeing something "greater" due to the fact that A.) Humans still would rule. and B.) Persumably, the only other creature you could talk to is a human.

[Draconian wolf]

hmm curses and gifts.... i recon curses maybe two faced because to some the effects maybe uncontrolable....like one time in this bar and my mate asks me how i want this steak and i reply raw and wriggling then looked at him with evilish intent and suddenly snapped at him with fangs...man that scared him witless

no but seriously being born could be hard as well with trying to keep the secrect and maybe not allowed to possible marry unless aproved by the parents and other clan mates

[NightWereWolf]

it all depins on how you get it :coolshift: :coolshift: for me it would be a gift

[anarchy]

yeah me too it would be a gift but it think that it would be also a curse,
for me the curse is: when i have to explain what i've become to my familly and friend (i think most of em would tell me that i have a psychic disorder)

[wolfman]

Good point

[anarchy]

oh and also another fact i've forgot: most of us never killed an animal in the real life so even if we turn into werewolves (supposing that there is no personnality changes), i think that most of us would need an adaptation :
i would be disguted at myself the first times i would kill and eat a deer for example. it would definately be morally hard

[wolfman]

anarchy*
* oh and also another fact i've forgot: most of us never killed an animal in the real life so even if we turn into werewolves (supposing that there is no personnality changes), i think that most of us would need an adaptation :
i would be disguted at myself the first times i would kill and eat a deer for example. it would definately be morally hard


I cloudn't say it better!

[Draconian wolf]

I dont know....but yes when you start to hunt and first see it with human reasoning that it could make it difficult especially if anyone esle discovers the remains and make it difficult to roam that area.(for large game like deer that is)

but for smaller prey id have no quelm, all's fair game if im going to eat it though i have difficulty in knowing what parts are not that edable

[sin.]

if you can control it gift. :shift:

[wolfman]

Draconian wolf
* I dont know....but yes when you start to hunt and first see it with human reasoning that it could make it difficult especially if anyone esle discovers the remains and make it difficult to roam that area.(for large game like deer that is)

but for smaller prey id have no quelm, all's fair game if im going to eat it though i have difficulty in knowing what parts are not that edable


Right.

So what you do is after your done eathing it then you take it do a non public area to where if some one finds it they will think a hunter killed it or something like that.

[Draconian wolf]

i useally have pre-planned spots to hide the remains or burn them though a larger prey usally trouble to disguise but the massive dales of cornwall and that help

[Madwolf]

I say, like many of you, that it can be a gift or a curse.

I wouldn't doubt that most of us here would see that as a gift because we're fans. But what about the person that hates wolves/werewolves? If he or she became one, it would definitely be a curse. Or what about someone who is "normal" so to speak? How does a normal person react when they find that they've become a monster?

Another matter determining gift/curse: control. If the transformations and instincts cannot be controlled, then to most it would be a curse. But if control exists at least in the alternate form, then one can see it as a gift. Still, it depends upon whether the person would be apalled at what they've become or enjoy the thrill of power and freedom.

Myself, I'd consider it a mixed blessing, but I'd take it for all the good and bad.

[kitetsu]

I wouldn't mind being a werewolf. I mean long wavy hair, cute doggie eyes, nice pair of ears, fluffy tail... And the collar i bought would suit me better. And six pack abs! But i have to work out for that...

But i'd have to shave my coat short in summer if it gets too long, i have to watch for fleas, try not to get my tail stuck on elevator doors 'n escalators, and wear a pair of shorts so i wouldn't get my crotch fur get caught in zippers.

Other than that though, it'd be pretty awesome.

[wolfman]

kitetsu
* I wouldn't mind being a werewolf. I mean long wavy hair, cute doggie eyes, nice pair of ears, fluffy tail... And the collar i bought would suit me better. And six pack abs! But i have to work out for that...

But i'd have to shave my coat short in summer if it gets too long, i have to watch for fleas, try not to get my tail stuck on elevator doors 'n escalators, and wear a pair of shorts so i wouldn't get my crotch fur get caught in zippers.

Other than that though, it'd be pretty awesome.


How do you know people will accept you as a werewolf :wtf:

[kitetsu]

Now that's the hardest part.

[anarchy]

the human society will NEVER accept werewolves
because how could this be even possible if human rejects other human, i talk here of racsim,sexism and all the other shit that come along?
and even me i'm not better, not that i'm racsist or anything else, just that i'm a disgusting human me too

so the humanity is not even close to accept creature such as werewolves in their cities......sad but true...

sorry if i looked a lil rude on this but i needed to evacuate all my anger :angry:

[Werewolf Gal]

Originally posted by GeladaKang@Sep 13 2005, 09:27 PM
I feel strongly feel that it is a gift* :shift:

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i agree with you .P.S. to mad wolf your avitar is off a game that i have its a fighting game

[Indiana_Jones]

Originally posted by Werewolf Gal@Nov 29 2005, 02:25 AM
i agree with you .P.S. to mad wolf your avitar is off a game that i have its a fighting game

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Probably Bloody Roar or something.

Indy will probably accept werewolves, even he is a human. But he will not get too close to them.

[of wolf and man]

Originally posted by Werewolf Gal@Nov 29 2005, 03:25 AM
i agree with you .P.S. to mad wolf your avitar is off a game that i have its a fighting game

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its darkstalkers. a highly underated game.

[Happygun]

A while back there was a discussion on the Dungeon of Female TFs concerning how werewolves are portrayed in film and books. Many good points were made, so I thought I'll share some of the better posts with you guys.

Alan:
I think [how werewolves are portrayed] all depends on what within the context of the story a werewolf
represents. There is both a positive and negative potential with the
symbol.

The negative one -- unrestrained anger and primal passion -- is the one we
see in horror movies. Such werewolves are just engines of destruction, the
incarnation of all that is brutal and bestial in a human being.
Metaphorically, it represents losing rational control and succumbing to
violent passions which threaten the foundation of human society. Within this
context fighting and destroying werewolves makes sense as they represent an
expression of energy that is in the final analysis self-defeating.

However, there is a potentially positive spin on the werewolf myth that I
think people are getting at here, one where it doesn't represent giving into
violence, but rather reconnecting with the primal power of nature. In this
case the werewolf metaphorically represents freeing one's self from the
arbitrary, restricting conformity of human society to experience something
more immediate and instinctual.

One can see why the former interpretation is seen (at least by the larger
public) more often than the latter. First of all, it makes for a very
straightforward story -- werewolf bad, hero who kills it good. It also helps
to validate our cultural biases that suggest we have tamed and controlled
nature.

By comparison, the more positive approach by its nature questions our social
assumptions on the most basic level -- is it enough to be human?
Is "humanity" something of a false construct that has led us astray? Those
are potentially disquieting questions that would require a delicate story
telling touch in order to be effectively presented.

For instance, it would be all too easy -- as happens sometimes in TF stories -
- to just present being a werewolf (or something similar) as being an instant
cure all for our cultural and/or personal ills. That approach is really just
a flip side of the negative one with all the same biases intact -- it offers
up yet another version of nature that is conveniently under the control of
the human ego. It's just that in this case nature is empowering rather than
a foe to be conquered.

A more interesting movie to my mind would be one where becoming a werewolf
did not just turn you into an instant serial killer, but at the same time
wasn't some handy method by which to meet girls and excel on the basketball
court. Being a werewolf would alter your fundamental nature, a process
fraught will both positive and negative potential. Becoming something else
than wholly human should at the very least be unnerving. This would present
a powerful context in which to question the basic assumptions of "humanness"
(although it may very well CONFIRM those assumptions as challenge them).

Here's my response.

Well put, Mr. Alan. I agree wholeheartedly that there are two sides –
aspects, if you will – of lycanthropy. Werewolves have equal
potential to represent the savage, destructive side of humanity – that
raw, unadulterated, violent emotion – and a rekindling of man's
dwindling connection to the natural world and his unconscious self. I
have a few thoughts to add.

As you mentioned, werewolves are traditionally symbolic of the feral,
unsympathetic side of nature, and their destruction represents man
triumphing over such base forces physically, mentally, and spiritually
(often with a gun and a silver bullet, symbols of humanity's ingenuity
and purity, respectively). However, there is another dimension to the
horror that werewolves invoke in people: the invasion of the body.
Our culture places great emphasis on outward physical appearance.
One's body is supposed to represent one's overall worth – especially
for women. Think of how much television, movies, magazines, and other
media directly and indirectly tout the "perfect body" as the ultimate
achievement and how much money, time, and emotion people invest in
pursuit of what our society considers beautiful. Lycanthropy
represents a gross betrayal of the body. It strikes us right where it
hurts the most, corrupting something we are supposed to have complete
mastery over. This may account for why people find werewolves so
particularly distressing; they embody multiple aspects of what society
fears and abhors.

Getting back to the metaphysical aspect of lycanthropy, I would argue
that the transformation represents a "freeing of the id" so to speak.
That is, lycanthropy does not so much create violent, emotion impulses
as it releases innate ones. The psychologist Carl Gustav Jung
described the mental development of humanity in four stages: the
Primitives, who did not differentiate themselves from the natural
world, the Ancients, who saw themselves apart from the natural world
yet still controlled by it, the Moderns, those who completely rejected
the natural world for intellectualism, and the Contemporaries, who
accepted the natural world for what it is yet valued their
individualism and intellect. Jung – in a vein similar to but not
identical to Freud – believed that mental illness was the result of
the unconscious mind coming into conflict with the conscious mind.
Modern humans – believing that they had risen above their animalistic
nature – chose to ignore their emotions in favor of pure
intellectualism and logic. However, as their bestial urges were
pushed deeper and deeper into the unconscious they began to rebel,
manifesting themselves as neurosis. The Epic of Gilgamesh is thought
to be symbolic of this mental insurrection. The great king Gilgamesh
– representative of civilized, Modern man – had become too strong,
overpowering and terrorizing his subjects. So the gods of ancient
Babylonia sent the man-beast Enkidu – embodying untamed nature – to be
his equal.

Jung argued that the only way to overcome this conflict was to find
compromise between the unconscious and conscious just as Gilgamesh and
Enkidu eventually made peace and became the greatest of friends. That
is, in order to find psychic resolution the Moderns would have to
acknowledge their primal side and seek to integrate it into their
consciousness, becoming Contemporaries. Jung – who was fond of using
alchemical metaphors – described the process as sort of a distillation
of the id into the ego, creating a new, more stable, more powerful
mental architecture – a mind greater than the sum of its two parts.
It therefore could be said that Lycanthropy is another representative
of this rebellion of the id. Total rejection of the curse would lead
to great mental anguish and eventual insanity, i.e., the classic,
maddened, ravaging wolf-man. Conversely, if one accepted and sought
to understand the condition for what it was, it would be possible to
merge the human and animal halves and become something far greater –
neither human nor wolf, but the best of both worlds.

Aaron C. Wade:

That has got to be the best I've ever heard it spelled out. I think
that with the Matrix trilogy over and done with, having apparently
split the opinions of the fanbase to polar extremes, it would be
good to see a film that delves into the psychological and
philosophical elements of metaphysical transformation.

Let's see the new smart action picture. I've ranted about this
before, but with modern film technology, there's no reason why they
can't render realistic creatures. The animators of ILM and Weta can
put a personality into a pile of pixels like Yoda and Gollum. Enough
of the soulless snarling beasty wolves of yesteryear. If social
levels and workings can be explored in the overabundance of vampire
movies, it's damn time for the werewolves to start smelling the
sweet scent of success.

This travesty which we call _Cursed_ could very well be the
predecessor to something that will blow everyone away. Remember how
abysmal the returns on _Cutthroat Island_ were? Then suddenly a
pirate movie based of a Disney ride completely revives the genre.

It's going to deal a lot with faith though. Nobody seems to trust
the strength of the underground following of lycanthropy anymore.

Fonzie:

I'd like to say I was amazed at everyone's post on this topic. You
all make very good points and cases as to why werewolves are given
such a bad rap in society. Now, I'd like to give my two cents.

First off, I think that werewolves -particularly female- are
considered to be grotseque, barbaric and well, frankly unearthly
creatures. This is why people classify them in the 'horror' realm
because with such viciousness and anger, there is no other catagory
to place them in. -I beg to differ, wolves can be sci-fi too-project
metalbeast-

After all this time, I am still disappointed that the werewolf has
taken a back seat in monster history behind its commrades, Dracula,
Franky and even martians. To me, while growing up, a werewolf was
the king of all beasts, and nothing would stop it once it roam
free. -that is, except the silver bullet- Sure, we have have great
wolf films in the past, AmWereinLondon and the Howling were two
films that witnessed the uncanny strength and power the werewolf
had. Fantastic creations these were as they brought to the screen a
wolf the likes of which have never been seen before. I was too young
to rememeber AmWinL and most of Hollowing, but, one show that caught
my attentioned -and scared me to death as a child- was Werewolf: the
Tv series. To this day, this is the BEST depliction of a werewolf,
being from the guy attacked, the pentagram signaling the curse every
full moon, as well as, his search to sever the bloodline by killing
the head wolf. I feel the mood and scenes were perfect during this
short-runned tv series, and the wolf, fantastic. -I like wolves on
2s, not 4s- Werewolf was a show that could have open the gate for
other great werewolf plots, but, sadly, it was followed by a
terrible little number, She-Wolf of London.

This is where I get into my ideas about female werewolves.
Personally, I loved the pentagram on hand idea from werewolf the
show, and have yet to see Cursed, so, I'm not sure if they do that
concept. I was quite facinated and shocked when Ginger Snaps came
out. -my fav female wolf move to date- Sure, the teen angst is
common with werewolf movies these days, but, I think the idea is
pretty interesting as teenagers seem to have most of the stress-
related issues these days. Of course, I am not a fan of grotesque-
type female werewolf type TFs, as Ginger Snaps had. Sure, werewolves
are brutal creatures, but the minute you start breaking bones, blood
gushes out, no thanks. I prefer my wolves to just grow, physically
change and make the transition from human to monster. But, GS
brought a view on a werewolf movie, the likes of which I have never
seen before. My cheers to those who thought of a teen angst werewolf
type movie. :)

I have always wondered as well the psyche of those who are changing.
Like in cursed, what is the female thinking before she changes and
as she changes? Does she fight the change, force it or simply give
up. Being a werewolf movie lover for many years now, I must say that
you never can tell -except in American Werewolf- who wants to TF or
who fights it. Personally, I like those who force it, especally when
its in front of others. -not just werewolfs either, She-Hulk,
Rampage, any type of female TF that shows a female revealing her
identity to someone else) I just think its cool when a female
reveals her wolf side to her attacker or friend, shows a sign of her
true power.

In closing, I just feel that female werewolves are given a bad rap
because society still sees females as the 'innocent' or 'sexual'
person in films. (especially horror films) I mean, come on people,
ask yourselves this, who would you rather have chasing you at night,
Mr. Jason Vorhees or Holly Moore, girlfriend of your best friend,
secretly werewolf by night. I know who my choice would be (ahaha!)
Just thought I'd through some cheesecake bait out to you werewolf

[of wolf and man]

this has GOT to be the GREATEST compilation of werewolf info ever. im going to use this in a thread i have on another forum, arguing on which is better, werewolves or vamps. thanks.

[Aim_B0T]

Okay people, heres a visual feast for you. Remember what I said about situation? Todays comic 12.4.2005, brought to us by the wonderful leo, Is a perfect example of what you might usually find out in the wild. Not a friendly sight. So Curse? Yes. Would it kill you if you tried to make it turn you? Most certainly.

[Luke_Ragnarok]

Curse or Gift based on how good you are at controlling it. It's like having a kitty. Some are rather nice, and meow and purr and cuddle up to your leg. Others tear your leg off, chew on it, and hack hairballs on your expensive china. Not good.

[The defiant one]

Being a werewolf wouldn't be much of a curse, in my opinion. I like the idea of having heightened senses, being stronger and faster, having fur, etc. I think the only curse part of it would be if you were completely ostracized from society, which depends on if you listen to other's opinions of you....or it would be a curse if you were a werewolf in Transylvania...they're kinda paranoid over there.

Can you say werewolf-kabob? :coolshift:

[The wild one]

Gift mostly,with all of the physical enhancements bestowed on you(and the mind war with your new instincts and wolfside could be easily resolved if you accept them and use them to support you rather than surpress them.)

The only curse would be fleas(mentioned earlier),ticks,using excess shampoo and conditioner in the shower(with all that hair) and Dog whistles( hearing up to a frequency of 35k herz has its downsides) IMOP

[Guest]

Originally posted by The wild one@Feb 9 2006, 10:13 PM
Gift mostly,with all of the physical enhancements bestowed on you(and the mind war with your new instincts and wolfside could be easily resolved if you accept them and use them to support you rather than surpress them.)

The only curse would be fleas(mentioned earlier),ticks,using excess shampoo and conditioner in the shower(with all that hair) and Dog whistles( hearing up to a frequency of 35k herz has its downsides) IMOP

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What about smelling like wet dog whenever you get wet? That'd be pretty strange and inconveniant.

[The wild one]

Originally posted by Guest@Feb 10 2006, 03:12 AM
What about smelling like wet dog whenever you get wet? That'd be pretty strange and inconveniant.

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Hey, there's alwalys colonge or deoderant to cover the smell

[Luke_Ragnarok]

Or, you could shift out of your werewolf form into human, which is a lot easier to clean up. Unless...that dirt and stuff gets inside your fur when it retracts into your....oh, yuck. Nevermind. XO

[The wild one]

Originally posted by Luke_Ragnarok@Feb 10 2006, 06:04 PM
Or, you could shift out of your werewolf form into human, which is a lot easier to clean up. Unless...that dirt and stuff gets inside your fur when it retracts into your....oh, yuck. Nevermind. XO

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Oh yeah, forgot about that :eyeroll2: .But what happens if you're stuck in that form for a few days?(odd thing to say but it could happen)

(also you could have excess body hair even in human form, i've seen that in a few stories i've read)

[z_wolf_59661]

1000% gift. I would give up my life as a human to be a werewolf any day.

Actually, I really DON'T have a life as a human. I spend most of my free time on the computer, and I don't have a lot of friends. My daily routine revolves around going to school every day at 7:30 in thge morning and coming home at 3:00 in the afternoon. My family life sucks, because my father, mother, and little brother are almost always arguing, usually over something I said or did.THe only way I can escape is by fantasizing about being a werewolf inmy writing and imagination. So I deffinately think being a werewolf is a gift.

[anarchy]

Originally posted by z_wolf_59661@Feb 10 2006, 07:40 PM
1000% gift.* I would give up my life as a human to be a werewolf any day.

THe only way I can escape is by fantasizing about being a werewolf inmy writing and imagination.

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why would you run away from your problems?
you can also face them. Don't forget it.
Runnin will lead to nothing but other problem.
mabye even worse than the ones you had before.

thats all advices i can give you ; )

[z_wolf_59661]

Thanks for the advice, anarchy, but you don't know my family. I have tried talking things out many times, but it just doesn't work. I'm not going into details here. And trust me, there ARE details.

[Lone wolf]

Like 3 posts long details? I mean you have to continue it on another post.

[anarchy]

i know that i don't know your problem neither that i can claim to understand them, but we all have our fair part of shit, thats called life.to each problem. it's own solution. Thats how i think, you just have to think at it a little harder. I know it's hard, but we all have to do it a way or another.

[Crom]

Oh, this just reminds me of people that can´t stop complaining about humans.

That´s why there are so much problems anywhere you go, including that human haters people, easy to talk hard to act.

But, what are you doing here complaining in a cyber-forum?

If it´s that bad as you say, a good talk can´t make it worse; I don´t know if there are lot of details or not and I am not sure if I want to see them but, as Anarchy said there´s a solution for every problem and you got to find it.

[Luke_Ragnarok]

Originally posted by Werewolf Gal@Nov 29 2005, 04:25 AM
i agree with you .P.S. to mad wolf your avitar is off a game that i have its a fighting game

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Darkstalkers.

[Zenislev]

Originally posted by anarchy@Feb 10 2006, 08:35 PM
i know that i don't know your problem neither that i can claim to understand them, but we all have our fair part of shit, thats called life.to each problem. it's own solution. Thats how i think, you just have to think at it a little harder. I know it's hard, but we all have to do it a way or another.

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You're just way too nice about these things, ya know? Sometimes, you can certainly slip advice like that in with a grain of salt. However, sometimes, you need to beat it in with a hammer. Much like I do. I'm all about the hammer.

Anyway, on topic: Neither.

You'd think for your everyday werecreature, it wouldn't be a curse or a gift. It'd just be part of their lives. Example: Let's say your hair is unruly. Is that a curse, or a gift? Who cares? You deal with it all the time. It's neither. Just is.

[Warnolo]

well.. in the past the transformation whas more like a gift gived by the spirits used in tribal wars (you know, beserks and all) or a pact with the devil. All the werewolves on the myths (antique myths) are looking for the capacity of become a werewolf using a lot of rituals (magic wolf belts, eat wolf's brain, use a magic skin paint, making pacts with the devil). Well.. i think i talked too much. See you later.

[Zenislev]

Originally posted by Warnolo@Feb 14 2006, 04:40 PM
well.. in the past the transformation whas more like a gift gived by the spirits used in tribal wars (you know, beserks and all) or a pact with the devil. All the werewolves on the myths (antique myths) are looking for the capacity of become a werewolf using a lot of rituals (magic wolf belts, eat wolf's brain, use a magic skin paint, making pacts with the devil). Well.. i think i talked too much. See you later.

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The problem with that is, for part A) Real world examples of things don't really cross over too well. You have to adapt them. Berserkers and such were on drugs. I'm not kidding. That's what all went on there. For part B) Yeah, there were a lot of those types of things, but this doesn't really address the subject at hand.

[NightWereWolf]

i say its a gift

[z_wolf_59661]

I said it in anoter tread, and I'll say it here:


Originally posted by z_wolf_59661@Feb 13 2006, 12:00 PM
full wolf (quaduped) or hybrid? that totally makes a difference.
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[confidental]

Both Gift and Curse.

If you're transformed in the right attitude or you have conscience and you believe that the instincts of the wild animal wouldn't take over. You'd probably be able to control it and do something that humans can't do. Something good and unbelievable.

but on the other hand.........
If you're a serial killer or born to the bad, Wild instincts combine with your dark thoughts. You'll be outta control and kill everybody in your path. Unstoppable for real.

[z_wolf_59661]

Originally posted by sparten 117+May 11 2006, 11:24 PM--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(sparten 117 &#064; May 11 2006, 11:24 PM)</div>
I would, as long as I retained the following: 1 Opposable thumbs 2 human intellect 3 ability to speak human and 4 the ability to stand on two legs.If I still had those, I&#39;d totally be a werewolf. :wink:

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<!--QuoteBegin-z_wolf_59661@May 12 2006, 10:05 AM
Same here, although I wouldn&#39;t mind the ability to communicate with other animals, also.

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If these were all true, I think it would totally be a gift.

[angelslayer666]

I&#39;d say a curse to some a gift to others. n.n

[kiba]

u.u I disagree, I think it&#39;s a gift no matter how you look at it. Heightened senses, cool wolf-body, the strange connection with other wolves, the ability of being able to eat raw meat without getting sick (along with other things/creatures) and the increased strength and phisique-I would much more prefer to be were or even vampire than mortal/human. -nod, nod-

[kiba]

The only reason it would ever seem as a curse is if one didn&#39;t accept it. But, if you could learn to live and embrace it, it is surely a gift.

[Were Dono]

You...do realize that there are people in the world who DONT like this sort of stuff, right?
Not everyone in the world is going to be psyched up
If they were to turn into some kind of large wolf like creature
Who most likely, if things stayed true to the myths
Would lose control of themselves.

There are people who hate all the things you listed.
The majority of the world LIKES being human.
And if they were suddenly turn into this large wolf thing...
They wouldn’t be to happy.

So, it depends on the person, really.

[kiba]

u.u I know, that&#39;s what I meant, but I&#39;m saying, if humans would embrace it instead of fearing or rejecting it, it is a sincere and very powerful gift-and it truly doesn&#39;t depend on the person, just the way the person looks at it. like, take for example, Hollywood-they manipulated it into seeming like a curse because every movie character that got &#39;bitten&#39; was like, &#39;OMG&#33;&#33; I&#39;M GONNA DIE BECAUSE I&#39;VE GOT A GOOD SENSE OF SMELL&#33;&#39; and felt they had to either break the curse or someone had to kill them. -_- OR if they DID accept it-they always were like, &#39;MWAHAHAH&#33;&#33;&#33; WITH MY NEWFOUND WOLFY POWERS I SHALL KILL ALL AND RULE THE WORLD&#33;&#33;&#33; DANCE, PUPPETS, DANCE&#33;&#33;&#39; but-let me just say-there isn&#39;t JUST good and bad in this world. There are people who would be like,&#39;Oh...I&#39;m a werewolf...oh well...&#39; and then the people who&#39;d be more like, &#39;Nobody can ever know my secret...fufufu...&#39; It would really depend on whether the person embraces the gift or not-it&#39;s all in their head whether it&#39;s a curse or gift.

[anarchy]

Originally posted by kiba@Jun 19 2006, 02:37 PM
u.u I know, that&#39;s what I meant, but I&#39;m saying, if humans would embrace it instead of fearing or rejecting it, it is a sincere and very powerful gift-and it truly doesn&#39;t depend on the person, just the way the person looks at it. like, take for example, Hollywood-they manipulated it into seeming like a curse because every movie character that got &#39;bitten&#39; was like, &#39;OMG&#33;&#33; I&#39;M GONNA DIE BECAUSE I&#39;VE GOT A GOOD SENSE OF SMELL&#33;&#39; and felt they had to either break the curse or someone had to kill them. -_- OR if they DID accept it-they always were like, &#39;MWAHAHAH&#33;&#33;&#33; WITH MY NEWFOUND WOLFY POWERS I SHALL KILL ALL AND RULE THE WORLD&#33;&#33;&#33; DANCE, PUPPETS, DANCE&#33;&#33;&#39; but-let me just say-there isn&#39;t JUST good and bad in this world. There are people who would be like,&#39;Oh...I&#39;m a werewolf...oh well...&#39; and then the people who&#39;d be more like, &#39;Nobody can ever know my secret...fufufu...&#39; It would really depend on whether the person embraces the gift or not-it&#39;s all in their head whether it&#39;s a curse or gift.

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Sometimes, people beleive it would be a gift but they don&#39;t always look at all the facts or they just don&#39;t realize what are the downsides.

Things like being unable to live in towns or villages. (seriously, who wouln&#39;t notice a wolf running free in a metropolitain city.
Things like having no roof above your head to protect yourself from rain, snow, thunder, etc, etc and all natural disasters.
Things like being hunted down by humans because you&#39;re not something natural.
Things like having to hunt your food yourself, and that implies that when you don&#39;t always find something to eat. So you might have to spend some days without eating at all.
Things like having no clothes to warm yourself when it&#39;s cold outside.
Things like having no bed to sleep, you got to find a safe place. Somathing as comfortable as a rock or something....

Got the picture? It&#39;s just not all white. It just wouldn&#39;t be always fun.

[Were Dono]

Not to mention the pain of transformation
Not being able to control yourself all the time
Always having to keep it form other people in fear they might kill you or turn you into scientists.
Or they just might run in fear.
There would be nothing like telling someone you loved that you were a supernatural and having them run away in fear.

[angelslayer666]

um...Kiba, they do make a very good point...n-n&#39; but, then again...
1. Living anywhere is trouble-and most places have SOMEPLACE where one(being a werewolf) could go to bet away-like NY is like, a city popping out of trees-and if all else fails, hey, central park is HUGE
2. They can make a living/way of living out of what they&#39;ve got in the human world. Even if one is poor-you&#39;d think they&#39;d be already used to the fact that they wake up cold and practically naked.
3. Hunting for your own food is only necessary in human form-as a human you can just buy food....
But I still stick to what I said earlier, &#39;It&#39;s a gift to some, a curse to others.&#39;

:3 ~Toboe

P.S.~ FAREWELL PEOPLE WHO I KNOW ARE TO BE HATING ME&#33;

[Were Dono]

Originally posted by angelslayer666@Jun 19 2006, 04:03 PM
P.S.~ FAREWELL PEOPLE WHO I KNOW ARE TO BE HATING ME&#33;

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.-_.- No one hates you&#33;
>_< Stop saying everyone hates you&#33;

[Zenislev]

Originally posted by Were Dono@Jun 19 2006, 05:21 PM
.-_.- No one hates you&#33;
>_< Stop saying everyone hates you&#33;

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I&#39;m thinking it&#39;s a cry for attention. There are a lot of people around the world that feel they need to be liked by everyone and everything. Too bad that&#39;ll never happen.

Anyway, the main reason I&#39;m posting: I&#39;m thinkin&#39; this thread has more than run it&#39;s course. In a few hours, I&#39;ll probably close it. Get your fill while you can. Then come up with new stuff to talk about.

[Were Dono]

Bye bye, thread.
We knew you well.
Not really.