Who believes.

[Matolf]

This is to find out how many believers we have out there. As you notice I am not asking if you are or not. I have had enough of that crap on ww.com.

[Were Dono]

Werewolves do not exist.
You people need to get a fucking life.

[Silver Predator Wolf]

They only exist in the movies. If any of you think they exist in real life, I only got three words to say. Keep dreaming people, keeping dreaming. It ain't going to happen and it never will.

[Matolf]

Awesome sig Silver.

[kitetsu]

I don't say shit until i see a real one.

[neoritter]

Some people just need a good brow beating here before they realize anything.

[Zenislev]

Some people just need a good brow beating here before they realize anything.

Emphasis on the beating part. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't wish there was some way for me to personally visit each and every last one of these people.

[neoritter]

Emphasis on the beating part. There isn't a day that goes by that I don't wish there was some way for me to personally visit each and every last one of these people.

Ya but then one day you may meet a real enthusiast that happens to be a body builder and likes to go "wolf" on people on full moons. You might find yourself screwed. But then again your head games might just save you.

[SilverBack Novelist]

I don't say shit until i see a real one.

I voted no, but what about Rosie O'Donnald? She's hairy enough.

[neoritter]

I voted no, but what about Rosie O'Donnald? She's hairy enough.

Werewolves don't go "Ching Chong Ching Chong"

[Gangrel]

As much fun as I have pretending werewolves are real it's a shame to say they're not, but, well...they're not real.

Seriously though, just think of the issues that would arise if you did manage to find or create a werewolf.

1) If they were real and you found one, you wouldn't live to tell anyone.
2) If they were real, good luck finding them. Over the centuries there have been rumours of werewolves amd no one's ever caught one. If they do exist, they'd be really fucking rare.
3) How would you even go about creating a werewolf. First you would have to find a person willing to experiment on. Second, you would have to find someone of supreme physical and mental fitness (even they don't exist) and lastly, you would have to find a way of funding these experiments and you would need the government to approve this. This won't happen.
4) If someone managed to create a werewolf, we would all be in great danger as they could quite easily fuck us up.

Just let the dream go because this is just gonna end up like the other topic. As it involves most of the same people it will most likly go in the same direction.

[neoritter]

You know I suspect this is why we have so many members with 10 posts and less.
They come here thinking we're all believers or some shit and then leave when they find we aren't. Or rather that no one here really does.

[neoritter]

This is to find out how many believers we have out there. As you notice I am not asking if you are or not. I have had enough of that crap on ww.com.

Anywho, you think he's talking about World of Webcam? You know, ww.com

http://ww.com/

[Gangrel]

You know I suspect this is why we have so many members with 10 posts and less.
They come here thinking we're all believers or some shit and then leave when they find we aren't. Or rather that no one here really does.



It's a shame...Well it's not lol. They may have had valid point's to make, but I doubt it. I made the mistake of pretending to be a werewolf when I first joined. :wacko: I wasn't the best treated person here for a while. lol. In the end though, does it really matter? People who think that werewolves are real need a right good slap:lol: . I've not made much sense, have I?

[Gangrel]

And that will most likly be the last we see of Matolf :lol:

[Matolf]

HAHAHA... You thaught that you would not see me again. Now I did not say I was a werewolf I just simply believe in them. I still can have a logical conversation about them or other subjects.

[neoritter]

We will see if you can have a logical conversation after Zen is done.

[Matolf]

Who is that?

[Caine]

Oh man, you are in for some serious brutality. Just wait till he gets online... it's like the divine wind to your belief system. Not that I always think he's write, but he is forceful.

Enjoy! I'm staying far away from this topic.

[anarchy]

HAHAHA... You thaught that you would not see me again. Now I did not say I was a werewolf I just simply believe in them. I still can have a logical conversation about them or other subjects.

Logic and werewolves are two things that shall not be mixed.
It's like trying to hold two magnets of the same polarization togheter.

[confidental]

Oh lordy....Another conflict, Another psychopathic posts, Another war, another thread closed, another peace, new thread created, and It will keeps going on...and on....

[Gangrel]

It's not gonna be a war. Zen will reduse this guy to a gibbering wreck, then it's buisness as usual.

[Silver Predator Wolf]

*Yawns* Wonder how long or how short will it be...

[confidental]

Let's spectate and be the witness of the 100% guaranteed intense violence.

[SilverBack Novelist]

Logic and werewolves are two things that shall not be mixed.
It's like trying to hold two magnets of the same polarization togheter.

And yet, you use them in a same sentence.

[Gangrel]

Let's just drop it. It's going nowhere.

[Matolf]

You telling me I am going to get insulted just for what I believe in. Though I must agree logic and werewolves don't go together. For all the information people have is from myths. I am use to getting my posts ripped apart and being contradicted. By the way ww.com is not world of webcams. It is short for werewolf.com and no it is not what you think. It is just a forum that got the name from there myth section. I don't go there for that kind of thing. I like joining in on conversations and the relays they have.

[Gangrel]

This is gonna sound a little cruel. Well, a lot cruel. It doesn't matter what ypu believe, werewolves don't exist. Myths are based off some form of truth and the truth being that werewolves are real is impossible.

[neoritter]

This is gonna sound a little cruel. Well, a lot cruel. It doesn't matter what ypu believe, werewolves don't exist. Myths are based off some form of truth and the truth being that werewolves are real is impossible.

Yep, werewolves are at best a Doc Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. And a product of an agricultural based society. Notice that in a nomadic society the alignment of werewolves changes.

[Gangrel]

I almost feel sorry for this guy...almost. He's just had his beliefs ripped appart in front of him and now he has no come back.

[SilverBack Novelist]

Well, whatever you believe in, I suggest that you keep it to yourself, because it'll just bring up some issues. Coming out of the....closet.....or woods in this case isn't as lenient as you wished, uh? But I assure you, no one is going to put on pointy white hoods and start burning crosses, I hope.
Just be careful of what you say. Everything has it's consequence. And unfortunately and as shocking as some might think, I am upset that things have to resort to banning members. Though it might be deserved, things could have been avoided. In this case, try to think before you say anything. That would go for everyone, as it does myself.
Furthermore, no one can say what does and doesn't exist. We can't say aliens exist. We can't say G-d exists either. Until there is sufficient evidence I won't believe, nor will I concur with any theory. I have never seen a werewolf, debatingly other than my old, hairy teacher from seventh grade, that can be of proof that they exist. So, I think you can figure where I stand.

And oh yeah, giant octopuses do exist. They once were thought hoaxes created from drunken sailors and people who had nothing else to do in their lives. They wash up on shore every now and then. One was caught on camera a few months ago as it attacked a man. What do you know...A screwy myth was proved right for once.

[Vain]

Giant octipuses hu? I saw that video on the news.

Certainly I'm not going to say I believe. I don't. I guess what you say is kind of right. I mean, has anyone seen the movie "Dogma"? It's a good movie. Funny too. Chris Rock is in it as he plays and apostle who was stoned to death and came back to life. He said something about it being a bad idea in having a belief and creating a system around it. It's better to just have a good idea rather than a belief.
It went something like that. And really, I think this way. Beliefs get people killed. People die for beliefs. Wars occur because of it. I'm not part of any belief system. It doesn't make me an atheist. It just means that I keep an open mind about things. So, until I see that that seventh grade teacher in person I'm not going to be certain of anything!

And remember, just because someone said that they'll make you a werewolf by joining their cult, it doesn't make it true. You're just going to drink some punch that will make you sleep for a very long time. So, think twice before drinking any gator-aid of any sort.

[neoritter]

Well, whatever you believe in, I suggest that you keep it to yourself, because it'll just bring up some issues. Coming out of the....closet.....or woods in this case isn't as lenient as you wished, uh? But I assure you, no one is going to put on pointy white hoods and start burning crosses, I hope.
Just be careful of what you say. Everything has it's consequence. And unfortunately and as shocking as some might think, I am upset that things have to resort to banning members. Though it might be deserved, things could have been avoided. In this case, try to think before you say anything. That would go for everyone, as it does myself.
Furthermore, no one can say what does and doesn't exist. We can't say aliens exist. We can't say G-d exists either. Until there is sufficient evidence I won't believe, nor will I concur with any theory. I have never seen a werewolf, debatingly other than my old, hairy teacher from seventh grade, that can be of proof that they exist. So, I think you can figure where I stand.

And oh yeah, giant octopuses do exist. They once were thought hoaxes created from drunken sailors and people who had nothing else to do in their lives. They wash up on shore every now and then. One was caught on camera a few months ago as it attacked a man. What do you know...A screwy myth was proved right for once.

Well thats about aquatic creatures which are harder to catalogue. Most if not all of the wilderness on earth has been searched numerous times. The probability of a new creature that no one has seen before is low. And as for werewolf tales, most in the US resemble more of something like a big foot.

Now, I said this the last time and I'm gonna say it again. Just because Zen isn't around doesn't mean you can take the time to take free shots. There's nothing on this topic that has anything to do with that issue so it does not need to be brought up.

[SilverBack Novelist]

Uhh...Did I say a name? Did I take any shots? I never did and you're exaggerating a bit too much. This the second time I said this and hopefully the last.

[Gangrel]

Right, let's just get back on topic now. We've shattered the dudes beliefs now WHO BELIEVES. Yae or Nae

[confidental]

Yes, Better return to topic. Anyhoo, Whether lycanthropes are real or not. I don't actually care. But I don't underestimate or disrespect any beliefs.

[Gangrel]

C'mon people. Let's not beat around the bush. Do you believe?

[of wolf and man]

looks like you're just trying to pick a fight gangrel.

[Gangrel]

It's Gangrel. Capital G. Kiddin' lol. :lol: I'm not trying to pick a fight. I'm just trying to bring this to a reasonable end.

[Foehammer]

You telling me I am going to get insulted just for what I believe in. Though I must agree logic and werewolves don't go together. For all the information people have is from myths. I am use to getting my posts ripped apart and being contradicted. By the way ww.com is not world of webcams. It is short for werewolf.com and no it is not what you think. It is just a forum that got the name from there myth section. I don't go there for that kind of thing. I like joining in on conversations and the relays they have.

Im gona put this on Myth Busters. Oh man i can't wait for this episode. On the Discovery channel.
Myth: does meat go with pie?
Answer: yes

[Gangrel]

This doesn't really hold much relevence to the topic.

[Silver Predator Wolf]

Come on guys... lets get back on track.

[Moon Hunter]

I look at it like this, what if...
What if is the one question that every man, woman, and child think about, no matter the subject. I prefer to believe in the impossible and be wrong then ignore what I think and be right.

[neoritter]

That makes no sense. Basically, you're saying that if a fish jumped out of the water and slapped you in the face you'd believe that it didn't happen because its wrong and impossible that the fish didn't slap you in the face?

[Moon Hunter]

No, I'm saying the the question 'what if' is what drives humanity, if we stopped asking 'what if' what would happen? We need to believe in the impossible, because the impossible can be real.

[confidental]

Everything can be possible. Examples, Global Warming, Unforeseen Natural Disasters, Terrorists, Political and Economic Crisis.

[Moon Hunter]

Right, just because someone says 'that can neven be true' doen't mean it can't be true or happen.

[confidental]

Everything's unpredictable. We'll have to wait and see.

[Moon Hunter]

Who knows, werewolves may be real in the future... think about that for a minute.:CafinatedWolf:

[confidental]

Well...It's still unconfirmed. No one can tell whether it's real or not.

[Moon Hunter]

Yeah, maybe we'll never know the truth, bu twe can still wounder/hope/fear/pray or anything else, take your pick.

[confidental]

LOL....I'd pick all. Since (most) werewolves (as appeared in myths and stories) are savage, cruel, and bloodlust.

[Moon Hunter]

Yeah, I really don't like that out look on them, but the people thought very diffrent back then.

[confidental]

Call me crazy, But (my opinion)...There are also moral and peaceful lycanthropes.

[Moon Hunter]

I agree, just look a literature there days, vampires, werewolves, and magic users are being used as good guys inster of bad guys.

[confidental]

True (Blood and Chocolate, Bitten, Stolen, Broken....and lots of others...Eh, What about Freeborn?)

[Moon Hunter]

Werewolves good and bad, good movie, read the script, looking forward to seeing it, maybe acting or editing it too.

[neoritter]

Its stupid to believe in the impossible or improbable. Believe in the probable or possible. Explore and examine the improbable and impossible.

The logic most people use for things like werewolves and such is that scientists don't have all the answers and that somehow believing in that impossible will mean that someday it will be possible. Thats just not right. And anyways there are much more important things to explore than creating or discovering werewolves. As I said earlier, how about a cure for cancer? Cure for AIDS? Solution to world hunger? A new energy source, a cheap reliable energy source? Science isn't there to discover something for aesthetic need or a fetish.

Edit: Let me add, believing in something impossible can lead to a subjective view and possibly dangerous ethical consequences in such a search.

[Gangrel]

Good point. Explore the impossible. Prove us wrong.

[anarchy]

Its stupid to believe in the impossible or improbable. Believe in the probable or possible. Explore and examine the improbable and impossible.

The logic most people use for things like werewolves and such is that scientists don't have all the answers and that somehow believing in that impossible will mean that someday it will be possible. Thats just not right. And anyways there are much more important things to explore than creating or discovering werewolves. As I said earlier, how about a cure for cancer? Cure for AIDS? Solution to world hunger? A new energy source, a cheap reliable energy source? Science isn't there to discover something for aesthetic need or a fetish.

Edit: Let me add, believing in something impossible can lead to a subjective view and possibly dangerous ethical consequences in such a search.


*applaud*

I agree with that at 100%

[confidental]

how about a cure for cancer? Cure for AIDS? Solution to world hunger? A new energy source, a cheap reliable energy source?


Forgot to mention that. You're true, ritter. No offences, no sarcasm. :thumbsup:
btw, Let's just hope that Apocalypse won't come soon. So what about trying to reduce or get rid of CO2, CH4 and N2O at the atmosphere?

[neoritter]

Forgot to mention that. You're true, ritter. No offences, no sarcasm.
btw, Let's just hope that Apocalypse won't come soon. So what about trying to reduce or get rid of CO2, CH4 and N2O at the atmosphere?
Well with Iran and its nuclear program and the possibility of a nuclear weapons program and its consequences, it may be sooner than we think. Definitely stands to be far more scarier than the Cold War.
And probably just reduce, plants need the CO2 and I'm sure some of those other gases might be a little essential to create the proper atmosphere.

[confidental]

Well with Iran and its nuclear program and the possibility of a nuclear weapons program and its consequences, it may be sooner than we think. Definitely stands to be far more scarier than the Cold War.

(Sorry to go off-topic from lycanthrope beliefs)

I heard rumors that the U.S. will send the B-2 Spirit Stealth Bomber to Iran via the aircraft carrier somewhere in Europe or Asia (I'm not sure about this.) to destroy Iran and their nuclear research programs. Is this true?

[neoritter]

(Sorry to go off-topic from lycanthrope beliefs)

I heard rumors that the U.S. will send the B-2 Spirit Stealth Bomber to Iran via the aircraft carrier somewhere in Europe or Asia (I'm not sure about this.) to destroy Iran and their nuclear research programs. Is this true?

Its most likely hear-say. The thing is that we don't know where all their stuff is. A secret underground centrifuge plant was discovered in Natanz a few years back and they've been less than forth coming with the IAEA. So where and how much stuff they have is somewhat difficult to determine. And as it stands the US is over extended and Iran has a lot of terrorist connections, particularly Hezbollah. Israel has made a threat to attack the completed Bushehr similar to what they did to Iraq, but its unlikely, they have to fly over multiple other countries' air space to get to Iran and they are unlikely to get permission. The real danger in the future is Iran shooting a nuke at Israel or vice versa. Instead of 30 mins to react they will only have a few minutes to determine if the attack is real or not. So mistakes can be made if Iran was to get nuclear weapons. Not to mention that other nations surrounding them will most likely seek weapons too for fear of Iran, particularly Iraq, which is already so muddled. This is why we need to stay in Iraq until the goverment is well established and working properly. Because nuclear weapons in Iraq could mean easy access to terrorists from within or without. I don't think I need to mention the possibility of Iran distributing as well though.

[Wan]

To all of the posters: Please don't stop stupid flame wars. There are many ways to tell things.
_______________________

Back on topic... as much as I'd want to believe in them, I have to stick to reality. As was discussed in the other thread, it's a mere fantasy... they aren't real.

There's another concept of "were", but enters the Therianthropy matter (Google for it), but be warned that doesn't have anything to do with the "traditional" concept.

[Matolf]

It will take a lot more to shatter what I believe in so strongly then this. I just didn't get on this site for a while.

[neoritter]

It will take a lot more to shatter what I believe in so strongly then this. I just didn't get on this site for a while.

Well you're being counterproductive here.

[Gangrel]

Listen, you may still beleive, but no amount of believing is gonna make it true. Werewolves DON'T exist and hopefully will NEVER exist.

[kitetsu]

Werewolves DON'T exist and hopefully will NEVER exist.

"Never" ever? :(

[Wan]

Listen, you may still beleive, but no amount of believing is gonna make it true. Werewolves DON'T exist and hopefully will NEVER exist.
Never say an absolute never >=).
Although it isn't ACTUALLY possible... as I said in the other thread, we don't have a crystal ball to predict the future...

PS: why "hopefuly"? :O

[neoritter]

The correct answer for all this is that werewolves are highly improbable or near impossible.

[Gangrel]

I didn't say that they would never exist. I said HOPEFULLY they would never exist. C'mon, just think about it, you leave your house and there is huge wolves there that could quite easily rip you appart that are imune to normal weapon and their only weakness is silver. I don't think any of you would want that. Don't bother saying "What if I had a gun with silver bullets or a silver sword." Coz eventually people would use them on each other, making us easier prey for the werewolves.

[confidental]

you leave your house and there is huge wolves there that could quite easily rip you appart that are imune to normal weapon and their only weakness is silver. I don't think any of you would want that. Don't bother saying "What if I had a gun with silver bullets or a silver sword." Coz eventually people would use them on each other, making us easier prey for the werewolves.

That would make a total annihilation for human race.

- "Oh crud, Where are the moral lycanthropes?"

[Silver Predator Wolf]

If there are any. It will be hard to find......

[kitetsu]

I didn't say that they would never exist. I said HOPEFULLY they would never exist. C'mon, just think about it, you leave your house and there is huge wolves there that could quite easily rip you appart that are imune to normal weapon and their only weakness is silver. I don't think any of you would want that. Don't bother saying "What if I had a gun with silver bullets or a silver sword." Coz eventually people would use them on each other, making us easier prey for the werewolves.

Now YOU'RE acting like Matolf. How are you-- or rather, we, sure that HollyPissFuck and half-heartedly written legends are right all along if they really existed? Don't tell me you're becoming paranoid just because some inbred director/producer thought it'd be "in the times" to make a werewolf movie where everybody dies except the main character who looks like a bimbo or a teenaged nerd holding the wrong end of an old rifle.

And what kind of technical idiot would purposefully create a werewolf that's bulletproof to anything, except silver? How would the so-called "allergy" to silver really work in accordance to REAL science -- OUR science? How would the real science go prior to the issue of "hey, guys... ? It's the full moon. I can't control the change. I need to rip one of you folks apart."? How would the real science go prior to them being able to do feats like doing whatever a spidey can, jump like Vincent Valentine, and--



...



Ok, i've said more than enough.

Look, i apologise if i'm pulling the Zen, but i felt that your reason for being chickenshit at the thought of werewolves existing was a complete excuse. IMO... Complete immortality to anything but silver is bollocks. That's like believing that if you ingest so-and-so, you'll never need to sleep again.

[Moon Hunter]

As I said before, what if is the greatest question of all, but as you can see it can also be the most dangerous one of all as well.

[Gangrel]

How am I like Matolf? We are, like, totally opposite. He won't let go of the fact that werewolves aren't real and i'm trying to say why they shouldn't be real. Think about it. Would you want werewolves to be real?

[neoritter]

As I said before, what if is the greatest question of all, but as you can see it can also be the most dangerous one of all as well.

"What if" is one of the most tarded of questions. What if this.... What if that.... The question implies the introduction of specific most likely impossible conditions. A what if scenario most normally goes on and on as the other side inputs more specific factors and variables.

[Moon Hunter]

Would you want werewolves to be real?

Who knows, there is no real way to be sure.

[anarchy]

Who knows, there is no real way to be sure.

Comon sense knows.

And that is the typical answer that people who beleive in werewolves -or anything that is iimpossible- gives when they go no more arguments.

1- They obiviously don't exist on earth, or we'd know. You have as much probabilities of seeing a werewolf on earth as seeing the lochness monster. 0%

2-They won't exist in the future either. Like ritter said, what's the point in making them actually? Humanity got more important things on it's hands than satisfying some werewolves fanatics dreams. Also, Vampires-fans would want to create vampires, Dragons-fans would want to make Dragons and so on.

3-Your best hope is that somewhere on a planet some hundreds of thousands of light years from earth on which there is some wolf-like humanoids that evolved pretty much like we did from apes.

[neoritter]

Comon sense knows.

And that is the typical answer that people who beleive in werewolves -or anything that is iimpossible- gives when they go no more arguments.

1- They obiviously don't exist on earth, or we'd know. You have as much probabilities of seeing a werewolf on earth as seeing the lochness monster. 0%

2-They won't exist in the future either. Like ritter said, what's the point in making them actually? Humanity got more important things on it's hands than satisfying some werewolves fanatics dreams. Also, Vampires-fans would want to create vampires, Dragons-fans would want to make Dragons and so on.

3-Your best hope is that somewhere on a planet some hundreds of thousands of light years from earth on which there is some wolf-like humanoids that evolved pretty much like we did from apes.

You'd be hard pressed to find a genetic evolutionary ancestors that are related between the canine family and the ape family. As for the lochness monster, meh, its a little different here.

[kitetsu]

How am I like Matolf? We are, like, totally opposite. He won't let go of the fact that werewolves aren't real and i'm trying to say why they shouldn't be real. Think about it. Would you want werewolves to be real?

I was half-asleep, ok? I didn't pay attention to all of what he says.

And yes, i'd dream of them being real.

No. I don't tell anyone why.

[Gangrel]

You have as much probabilities of seeing a werewolf on earth as seeing the lochness monster. 0%
.

Erm, dude. The Loch Ness Monster does exist. There have been many things to prove it's existance. There have been pictures and videos taken as well as sonar hand thermal scanning. The last 2 provided similar results. A large oblong blob, too big to be a fish and too compact to be a shoal of fish. There have also been recordings of strange roars and other sounds comming from the Loch.

[Were Dono]

Erm, dude. The Loch Ness Monster does exist. There have been many things to prove it's existance. There have been pictures and videos taken as well as sonar hand thermal scanning. The last 2 provided similar results. A large oblong blob, too big to be a fish and too compact to be a shoal of fish. There have also been recordings of strange roars and other sounds comming from the Loch.


Uh...you can't really prove that.
For all you know, those could be fake.
Just like the shit with life outside of Earth.
You have no way of knowing it's true, simply because people will do anything for attention.

[Gangrel]

Ok, but it's not the reality of the Loch Ness Monster that's in question here, it's werewolves. So let's get back on topic...

[Matolf]

Dragons-fans would want to make Dragons and so on.

Science has proved that a dragon is possible. Though, they don't say they ever existed. They only proved how each mythological dragon tale could be real.

[Night Wolf]

Science has proved that a dragon is possible. Though, they don't say they ever existed. They only proved how each mythological dragon tale could be real.

Necroposting...
Science said it COULD be possible, but it ain't. Return to reality please.

[anarchy]

Science has proved that a dragon is possible. Though, they don't say they ever existed. They only proved how each mythological dragon tale could be real.

man, a dragon as in your typical fantasy novel with the fire (or whatever) breath and so on? No way. Giant dragon-looking reptiles in a dinosaur fashion? Sure. There's already the komodo dragon.


Erm, dude. The Loch Ness Monster does exist. There have been many things to prove it's existance. There have been pictures and videos taken as well as sonar hand thermal scanning. The last 2 provided similar results. A large oblong blob, too big to be a fish and too compact to be a shoal of fish. There have also been recordings of strange roars and other sounds comming from the Loch.

Dude, if there was really something in there, they would commercialize it more don't you think? They'd prolly try to make it into a circus or zoo of sorts., no? Also, strange how the best cliché of the monster has been prooven to be fake huh? I mean, it's so easy to fake picture and videos now. All you need is a computer, a program and some "Photoshop for suckers" book.


back on topic:


You'd be hard pressed to find a genetic evolutionary ancestors that are related between the canine family and the ape family. As for the lochness monster, meh, its a little different here.

Maybe I wasn't clear here. I wasn't talking of humans that evolved into wolves, but more about some wolf-like creatures ('cause we couldn't really call them wolves, now could we?) that had evolved into humanoîds. Yeah, I know, not really a werewolf, but anyway, the nasa/esa are too busy to plan the first human trip on mars and the lauch of a satelite toward the "second earth" they found. Also, one would have more chance stepping into a black hole that'd lead into a parallel dimension where Micheal Jackson wasn't pedophile than to find a planet with wolf-like humanoids. Better?

[Gangrel]

Dude, if there was really something in there, they would commercialize it more don't you think? They'd prolly try to make it into a circus or zoo of sorts., no? Also, strange how the best cliché of the monster has been prooven to be fake huh? I mean, it's so easy to fake picture and videos now. All you need is a computer, a program and some "Photoshop for suckers" book.


back on topic:



Maybe I wasn't clear here. I wasn't talking of humans that evolved into wolves, but more about some wolf-like creatures ('cause we couldn't really call them wolves, now could we?) that had evolved into humanoîds. Yeah, I know, not really a werewolf, but anyway, the nasa/esa are too busy to plan the first human trip on mars and the lauch of a satelite toward the "second earth" they found. Also, one would have more chance stepping into a black hole that'd lead into a parallel dimension where Micheal Jackson wasn't pedophile than to find a planet with wolf-like humanoids. Better?



I get the feeling that you used that "Dude" spitefully. lol. Anyhoo, there was zoos and circuses at Loch Ness but as there was no recent sightings of the monster, their main attraction was no longer there. They moved to more profitable locations.

Please, don't make fun of Michael Jackson. He was found not guilty of the charges. Wasn't he? That means he didn't do it.


Now, back on topic. Werewolves don't exist. I think the most likely source of werewolves would come from the government doing some really nasty stuff to a guys D.N.A. like combining some of it with wolf D.N.A. I don't know how, I don't know why but if, in the future it could happen it'll happen. Scientists are sick that was.


Off topic. W00T! 700 posts. only 1037 until I'm 1337. lol

[Night Wolf]

I get the feeling that you used that "Dude" spitefully. lol. Anyhoo, there was zoos and circuses at Loch Ness but as there was no recent sightings of the monster, their main attraction was no longer there. They moved to more profitable locations.

Please, don't make fun of Michael Jackson. He was found not guilty of the charges. Wasn't he? That means he didn't do it.


Now, back on topic. Werewolves don't exist. I think the most likely source of werewolves would come from the government doing some really nasty stuff to a guys D.N.A. like combining some of it with wolf D.N.A. I don't know how, I don't know why but if, in the future it could happen it'll happen. Scientists are sick that was.


Off topic. W00T! 700 posts. only 1037 until I'm 1337. lol
If DNA combination was so easy and showed results, the Nazis would've done it along time ago >.>

Besides, most make fun of Michael Jackson, at least I think, because he's truly a unique and weird figure xD

[anarchy]

I get the feeling that you used that "Dude" spitefully. lol. Anyhoo, there was zoos and circuses at Loch Ness but as there was no recent sightings of the monster, their main attraction was no longer there. They moved to more profitable locations.

Please, don't make fun of Michael Jackson. He was found not guilty of the charges. Wasn't he? That means he didn't do it.


Now, back on topic. Werewolves don't exist. I think the most likely source of werewolves would come from the government doing some really nasty stuff to a guys D.N.A. like combining some of it with wolf D.N.A. I don't know how, I don't know why but if, in the future it could happen it'll happen. Scientists are sick that was.


Off topic. W00T! 700 posts. only 1037 until I'm 1337. lol

Nope, no spite intended. I keep that those those who beleives in werewolves, and some others...

As for the DNA thingy, I think you read/watch too much x-men/spiderman comics/cartoons when you were younger. Heheh

[Gangrel]

Lol. I've never watched or read any of them when I was younger. The extent of my knowledge about them is the Wolverine has claws. lol.

[anarchy]

Hah, well, most of the DNA mutation idea have been popularized by those comics.

[Gangrel]

Aw man. I was gonna bring out a comic on it. lol. It was gonna be called. "Jimmy, the Amazing D.N.A. Mutator." Ah well. I guess it was not ment to be.

[Wan]

And here we go again into the "Werewolves vs. Science" topic....

[Night Wolf]

And here we go again into the "Werewolves vs. Science" topic....
Nah, the thread seems to be dying =P

[Leo]

Mmmm I like to believe in werewolves when I'm drawing them. Te same way you believe in the story you see from an animation , or a movie or a game... you believe at that momment and you get yourself be driven as you use your imagination thourgh it... is fairly a good way to explore new ideas or just to have fun with it.

I think it's even fun to talk about them in forums they way if they could be real, what they could be, or take interesting theories as studies and chat about it...and then keep the possible answer for yourself, into your dreams.

But if you find yourself in somekind of fake black magic, going into weird rituals or something really nasty like that...believe me, yo've crossed the line of reality....

So there is no harm in "believe" and continue your normal life, as you don't go yelling if someone point you that you're just dreaming, because believe over unreal things is not as bad as they just make your life more entertaining in the process....but no more :howl:

[Gangrel]

So there is no harm in "believe"

Yes there is. Hitler believed what he was doing was right. You can't say no harm came of that. Some people believe that they can fly too. A little hint for them, try jumping off the floor first not the roof.

[Night Wolf]

Yes there is. Hitler believed what he was doing was right. You can't say no harm came of that. Some people believe that they can fly too. A little hint for them, try jumping off the floor first not the roof.
No harm in believing, only in doing XD

[kitetsu]

Yes there is. Hitler believed what he was doing was right. You can't say no harm came of that. Some people believe that they can fly too. A little hint for them, try jumping off the floor first not the roof.

Pardon my idiocy again, but that's a rather strong judgment about the general definition of the word "belief". You have to remember that when you use words it's not 0% or 100% absolute.

Just like when someone asks me if i believe in ghosts. I'd say "I kinda do. But i'm not saying shitall till i see one for myself". That's like 50% belief.

Yes, Hitler believed, but he got himself killed, but that doesn't mean it would make "belief" look worse than it is right now. He was, in many inarguable ways, mislead in his ideals. And like Hitler, people who believe they can fly are just shitting themselves, but again, that shouldn't make "belief" look shit.

Personally, i believe that there are "mild believers" who believe in many things, true or no, but are only believing either because they are curious, or just plain dreamy. I would be happy to acknowledge this, but with other people, that's really their own decision. Who else would scold you for making the "wrong" choices, apart from your parents, eh?

[Caine]

I'm going to have to voice my agreement with some other posters here and say it isn't wrong to believe, as everyone can do what they wish, however the extent to which you take that belief will either judge something to be taken too far or not. Believing in the existence of werewolves, while kind of silly (to me at least), doesn't do harm to a person or others around them. Its a certain suspension of belief that they want to participate in. What's wrong with the suspension of reality?

When I go to play Warcraft, isn't that suspension of reality? I'm playing in a made up, fantasy world fighting an evil Black Dragonflight and demons from the Burning Legion as a Tauren Shaman. Isn't that crazy? I suspend my real life for a few hours of belief in a fantasy world where I become my character.

Now, you might argue that believing in the existence of werewolves is completely different from that, but is it? I'm not so sure. Finding solace in a fantasy world separate from reality isn't much different from entertaining the fact that believe supernatural events might occur or exist... things that cannot be explained by science. Me? I'm ok with that. I may not believe in it, but I think it's ok for someone to believe in it, as long as it doesn't hurt or impede the rights and lives of others around you.

Now, if I believed I was a Tauren Shaman and went around with a heavy mace cracking people over the head while yelling, "WINDFURY PROC!"... yeah, you should lock me up. Likewise, if someone is going out into the wilderness and drinking rainwater from the paw prints of wolves or performing satanic rituals of sacrifice to bring the malevolent spirit of a wolf into his or her body... well yeah, you should be locked up for your own wellbeing as well as the safety of others.

Idea's can be taken to extremes. It's been done over and over in history, from the micro to the macro scale. And though we may not respect those ideas because we think them :wacko: , perhaps those people still deserve a little respect and space in their personal lives. Hey, like I said, I do a little suspension of belief every night when I roleplay my warcraft character. Ok, it isn't the same as believing in werewolves, but would you deny me my fun? I would hope not!

[SilverBack Novelist]

Ok, who took the red pill instead of the blue pill? Because if you took the red pill, you're just going to get stuck in the rabbit hole and play with things that aren't there the whole time. Role playing is ok, I guess. Just know that you're not really married to Mila Jovovich in the real world.
Oh and just in case you're wondering, I Inevitably took both. I just didn't feel it was right to waste the other pill.:wacko:

[Indiana_Jones]

Indiana Jones: "Werewolves, why did it have to be werewolves."

[Leo]

No harm in believing, only in doing XD

That is what I said :closedgrin: and I'm with Cain on it... , there is a "reality suspension" in many things we do, believing is part of the game to have a fun life in the process. Then you have to know when is too much already :panting:



Indiana Jones: "Werewolves, why did it have to be werewolves."

You can't be any more random, isnt? xD

[Matolf]

i know this is from a few posts ago, but I haven't been here.

I did not say dragons existed. I am saying that science has proven how they could of existed.

[of wolf and man]

And anyways there are much more important things to explore than creating or discovering werewolves. As I said earlier, how about a cure for cancer? Cure for AIDS? Solution to world hunger? A new energy source, a cheap reliable energy source?
eat cauliflour

destroy africa.

eat the poor/babies. solves overpopulation as well.

refractors.

any other problems need to be adressed?

[Indiana_Jones]

Maybe we are way out of our heads. We always science to defined nonexistent beings in this 'reality.' Science? What is science? It is useful or is it bad?

Do you people think that the Governments love to cover-up really crazy things from the public, so we won't panic?

Genetic mutation or genetic manipulation can change our human form by a bit, yes?

Or perhaps, I am too paranoid, no I am not.

http://montalk.net

http://davidicke.com

http://stargods.org

http://reptilians.suddenlaunch3.com

Researching and seeing is Believing.

[Vain]

Burn science! Bring back the dark ages! Uninvent the underwire!

[neoritter]

Wow, the first one is basically a conspiracy theorist, "I don't fit in with society" hook. And the stargods sight is hilarious. They have a quote from some random guy named existenz. LOL.

[WLewy]

Well I not saying that I believe in werewolves,but how com we still somehow try to believe in them and how is that the myths still remain, I mean there must be something to it, otherwise people wouldn't talk about it so much.Not mentioning pics ,movies,and other stuff.I find it a bit odd .
Don't you?
Or it's only the human nature, that plays with us?:closedgrin:

[Were Dono]

Well I not saying that I believe in werewolves,but how com we still somehow try to believe in them and how is that the myths still remain, I mean there must be something to it, otherwise people wouldn't talk about it so much.Not mentioning pics ,movies,and other stuff.I find it a bit odd .
Don't you?
Or it's only the human nature, that plays with us?:closedgrin:


*stares*

Because humans have imaginations.
That's it.

Werebeasts were first created as a tale to keep people from doing things.
Example: From staying out late, pick pocketing, drinking from a puddle or having sex with an animal.

Not...because they might be real. It was a fear thing.

For another example: Little Red Riding Hood.

I know there are a ton of people out there who'd like to think there's some kind of magical thing behind Werebeasts, but the truth is, that there's just not.

I mean, it's as real as the boogy man.
A lot of people need to realize this.

[SilverBack Novelist]

*stares*

Because humans have imaginations.
That's it.....
I mean, it's as real as the boogy man.
A lot of people need to realize this.


By the boogy man, do you mean Michael Jackson or Martin Wright from WWE?:blink:

[Were Dono]

By the boogy man, do you mean Michael Jackson or Martin Wright from WWE?:blink:


I think Michael Jackson is as close as you can get with it.

[neoritter]

Well I not saying that I believe in werewolves,but how com we still somehow try to believe in them and how is that the myths still remain, I mean there must be something to it, otherwise people wouldn't talk about it so much.Not mentioning pics ,movies,and other stuff.I find it a bit odd .
Don't you?
Or it's only the human nature, that plays with us?:closedgrin:

We still hold on to those myths because they give insight into the culture of the time period. You're making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

[WLewy]

Well you are better informed then I am and yes you have a point there . Still I can not understand why do people still keep to legends and myths ?Besides what you say.

[neoritter]

They are stories to tell to children. And its like a fantasy story. We still talk about Lord of the Rings don't we? Harry Potter? Etc....

Its heritage and culture.

[WLewy]

Some heritage.
Now , I don't want to start a new topic here.But if you say its related to culture ,then why don't they say a word of it in school.I don't know if in your school the teachers said anything about myths,legends,folklore ,(any kind of ...) , but in ours they never did.(..only of the town legend and thats it).
Not even of people believes. We learn a hell of a lot of history though.

[neoritter]

Because school doesn't teach you your culture. The people you interact and live with do. School teaches you knowledge to succeed and be informed in the world.

[WLewy]

You are right. Now I'll won't go into any other questioning cause the thread is not about this.
But allow me this : I not sure that if the educational system is the same in my country as in your's but, as you mentioned earlier (...and you are right...) ,if I want to know more about these creatures than I have to look up information from several sources.
Thanks
:howl:

[Night Wolf]

School sucks no matter in what country XD
Why did I learn Chemistry or Portuguese Grammar for? I won't ever use that stuff again x_x

[WLewy]

Believe me I'm with the same attitude towards school.:angry:
Now I'm not saying we don't learn anything important , but there are a few classes that I would rather miss out (...like romanian classes or chemistry,just to mention a few...) When will I ever get to use it:eyebrow: ! I don't like to play truant , I never liked to . But as they say :things change , nothing stays the same for long.:howl: :howl:

[neoritter]

I actually use chemistry every now and then. Mixing general cleaner for my job. Too much and the fumes will get you sick, not enough and it won't clean, so I sometimes have to figure out how much I need to poor out so that I can add more water and dilute it to the right amount. Or the reverse.

[WLewy]

But, do you do it with the usage of the periodical table, by having to resolve things such as:CH4+2CO2 ->CO2+2H2O+Q ? Or you mix them together .Good for you.I hardly get to use the chemistry lab in our school (...it's true that we are not a maths,info class , but we also like to mix things even if it's dangerous ...)
How come we use the chemistry lab 2-3 times in a year while other classes used it as they please.(...it's not fair...):cry:

[Night Wolf]

Me hates chemistry ._.
Right now I'm studying Architecture and Urbanism...there are lots of math and physics necessary to know and to keep a building standing under most common factors...but I don't need excruciating grammar, hundreds of chemical formulas and whatnot XD
Although, weird anough, in my first period we studied...philosophy. o.O
Dunno how Kant's opinion on dialetical knowledge is, or Descartes's "Think, Exist"
might be useful in ...buildings...oh well. o_o;

[WLewy]

Architecture sounds interesting (...only the name for now...)but philosophy (...well thats only interesting when I philosophize ...) . I'm not sure that philosophy is connected with architecture(... maybe the names and what they philosophized are important ,yet how are they connected with architecture ???...) Oh, well I hope next school year well have something good.
Not like this year, we had one gym and one info class:cry: .(...is the headmaster and the teachers joking with us...cause its not funny). I can only hope the final school year will be a bit more interesting.:howl:

[Vain]

You want to mix architecture with philosophy? Fine, just remember that glass houses sink ships. Just like saying, anything can be possible if one can imagine it. You think up how to create a werewolf with genetics then you can make a werewolf with genetics. It won't go very well the first hundred times or so and a quite a few abominations will be added to the world, but hey I was bored.....s

[WLewy]

Yeah...Right...Genetics. If someone would try to create a werewolf,I don't think that would be to help mankind ,rather then to send it into battle against humans (...to win a war...) To have a perfect soldier . Man...those they would be in a big surprise . Even if they succeed I doubt they could control it. But it must be fun.:lol:

[Flashpoint Gold]

Way to stay on topic guys. :lol:

Anyway, do they exist? I do not believe they do, but you can never know. I mean it. Do you think creatures like that would let us find them? I still wish they did, but its a silly thing to wish. Would they be friendly, violent, or in between?

Did they exist? Yes, but not in the sense you may think. Myths are normally derived from exaggerated truths and werewolves are no exception, lycanthropy was/is a disease. There was no transformation on full moons, thats just when they were often out. The "change" was over a long period of time and it didn't reverse. Their hair would grow out faster and wilder, their mentality was affected heavily which made them more feral, etc... If you saw them you would think, "The Wolfman," because thats what these people looked like.

There is a whole website about this, I'm only touching on it.

P.S.- If my old thread was still around then there wouldn't be threads like this, but alas it is lost to the internetz.

[Moon Hunter]

Every myth has some truth, did they exist, maybe, do they still now... maybe. Would you believe the truth?

[Cerberus Elite]

well i wish werewolves existed so that why i put yes in the poll
and
i dont care if they were the kind that destroy towns and kill everything or friendly druid like race IN THE END IF I MET WERE TO MEET ONE I WOULD STICK OUT MY ARM AND SAY bite me.:)

and i dont care about the pro's or the con's about or the things your going to say about my mental health::wacko:

[Moon Hunter]

well i wish werewolves existed so that why i put yes in the poll
and
i dont care if they were the kind that destroy towns and kill everything or friendly druid like race IN THE END IF I MET WERE TO MEET ONE I WOULD STICK OUT MY ARM AND SAY bite me.:)

and i dont care about the pro's or the con's about or the things your going to say about my mental health::wacko:

Your responce has just made my day.:cool:

[SacrificerPS3]

I WISH they existed, but I'm logical enough to know that it's impossible, plus what we know as a werewolf is fiction, not fact. What we know as a werewolf is not actually what they are.

[Black Claw]

I'm native american so on my part i will say they exist not because of my superstition in my culture but because at one point in time my tribe might have hunted with wolves and when the white man(no offence to anyone) saw us hunting with them, they probably thought we were werewolves in mental way. But my grandpa used to say that a large wolf like creature used to roam around our ceremonial grounds and several people that were with my grandpa said they saw it too. So that just tells u were i stand on this.

[Mystery Ezekude]

Despite the entire werewolf theory being a myth, it is one of the highly anticipated myths of them all. It has inspired millions to contribute related novels, films and video games with their own interpretations of werewolves.

In other words, I don't believe in the theory, but I am still interested in the concepts that people create. However, it might actually be possible to create actual humanoid animals through advanced processes of scientific research and experiments. Of course, the outcome would be unpredictable.

[David]

Despite the entire werewolf theory being a myth, it is one of the highly anticipated myths of them all. It has inspired millions to contribute related novels, films and video games with their own interpretations of werewolves.

In other words, I don't believe in the theory, but I am still interested in the concepts that people create. However, it might actually be possible to create actual humanoid animals through advanced processes of scientific research and experiments. Of course, the outcome would be unpredictable.

I recently discovered Mystery Ezekude, that scientists did in fact create a hybrid embryeo (sorry for the miss spell). However, it did not survive.

[Arctic_Occul]

The amount of hostility in the first few pages is astounding. What makes people so angry and aggressive about this? No one is calling them liars(they have no reason to be defensive, their arguement has more credibility), as there is no real proof of such things yet.

However, I have to say I beleive. Despite what wondrous things that have been done with science, people aren't that smart when it comes to common sense. It's fairly easy to walk around a city at night without being seen (try it, it's fun). People stick to well lighted areas and houses.
So, shouldn't it be logical that there ARE things we haven't seen?
Take the colecanth(I think that's what it's called), it was just discovered a few years ago. A fish, we previously thought extinct, swimming in the waters of the Baja California area.

I have to say I believe, but not in the traditional myths. We've probably skewered the original werewolf's image horribly, but I do think that creatures lik that exist.

[neoritter]

Occul, you're comparing an aquatic fish to a land based mammal. There's way more free space in the ocean and much more inaccessible places than on land.

As for walking around the city at night unseen, are you really sure that people didn't see you? They could've glanced over and thought weirdo or something, I don't know lol. But the thing about common sense is it's just that, common. The majority of people have common sense, otherwise it wouldn't be common sense.

And yes we've skewed the werewolf myth for a long time. But then again it's a varied myth that's changed over time regardless and is different in different places. There are some things that have for the most part up until about modern history that have stayed the same.

Last, probably not a good idea to comment on some of the more flammable posts in this topic. You'll notice that they were written quite a while ago. Best to let sleeping dogs lie, or in this case wolves. :P

On another note...

I recently discovered Mystery Ezekude, that scientists did in fact create a hybrid embryeo (sorry for the miss spell). However, it did not survive.

Scientists have done some genesplicing experiments. Glowing tobacco leaves etc. Most recently there were pigs in China that had human blood, and some lab mice at I want to say Stanford or Harvard whose brain was 2% human. Most of these experiments though have been done to provide a way to farm organs (or blood) and cure some diseases. Nothing really along the lines of creating human animals or vice versa.

[Black Claw]

One thing no one has taken into account is spirits in the supernatural world. Maybe a spirit takes possession of a person and causes them to act like an animal, like a werewolf, and ppl can only refer it to an animal by the way it acts and all. Just an idea though i believe its possible because i have seen spirit possession before.

[neoritter]

One thing no one has taken into account is spirits in the supernatural world. Maybe a spirit takes possession of a person and causes them to act like an animal, like a werewolf, and ppl can only refer it to an animal by the way it acts and all. Just an idea though i believe its possible because i have seen spirit possession before.

There is a mental condition called Lycanthropy. Basically, people that believe they are werewolves act like it on the full moon, but don't transform or anything like that.

[Black Claw]

i know that but nobody takes into account spiritualism because in africa, they believe animals have spirits that could possess u. And when i've seen spirits and stuff in the woods, they look like animals and sound like animals but there r no animals there. So could there be a spirit of a wolf like entity able to possess ppl and cause them to act like a "werewolf"? who knows? but from what i have seen in my experiences and from what i have studied, there could possibly be something out there like that

[Skizzik_NZ]

I believe that it could be possible through hardcore GE, but its not the sort of thing I think about at night.

[CountryHowl]

There are some things that will not be explained in this world. They can't be explained or truly rationalized. Yet, a lot of people will sit back and think, "Huh. What the hell was that?"

People find excuses. The create stories. They create myths. The story is twisted from one version to another. And inevitably, a common element is created. It's an anomaly, a lie, and to a degree, it will make sense. The anomaly creates a story of its own, and the original reason and fear is gone, replaced by something more tangible.

But in the end, no matter what anyone believes or thinks, and no matter how much you wish it to be true, it doesn't change the fact that it explains nothing, proves nothing, or the fact that it is nothing.

I'm not arguing whether or not werewolves exist. Because, really, I don't give a flying fuck whether or not they do. And anyone who has the capacity for complex thought will understand what I'm saying (or at least, what I'm trying to say).

What I am arguing is the fact that it is utterly useless and idiotic to spend time arguing it. Time is too short. LIFE is too short. Today, when you woke up, you woke up one day closer to your death. And you are here, spending that time arguing with people on the internet. And you just know some of these people haven't hit puberty and they just think they're cool because everyone gets to see their opinion on a neat little screen that lights up. I know. I was once there. Most of you all were too. And you, right now, are arguing whether or not a mythical creature exists with some of those hormonal, social disrupted, pre-teens.

You must make your parents proud.

Now don’t get my tone wrong. My tone here isn’t angry or bitchy; it’s satirical and somewhat spiritual. Perhaphs even borderline sarcastic. So I’m not “ranting” or trying to come off as a complete ass, I’m just saying. That’s all. This is what I believe and think there’s some sense to it.

But, you want to know my answer to the original question? OK. Fine. I'm going to pull a philosophical answer out of my hat. Just to satisfy someone out there, and even myself.

YES. Werewolves exist. We imagine them, we give them attributes, personalities, stories. We put them on paper or in the corners of our mind. We feed them our hopes, our desires, our fear, our hate. We put a bit of ourselves into the creatures and worlds we create, and it becomes something more than a myth or fiction. It becomes real.

If one can create it, it exists. And what is a werewolf, but the creation of one's imagination?

[neoritter]

By your logic we should all just be Eloi. Sitting around doing absolutely nothing. Argument, more specifically debate are the epitamy of social interaction. The more meaningful social interaction a child and a person in general gets, the more intelligent they can become. Although it's debate on the internet, it still can, if the person is actively participating, broaden our knowledge and our intellect. It's not really a waste of time. Are there other things that should have more priority in life, of course. But that doesn't mean spending time here or any other place debating is necessarily a waste of time.

Last, this isn't Imaginationland.

[CountryHowl]

Heh, not imagination land? Oh, right. That's the Creative Den.

Oh well. I said my piece and it's what I believe. And... I'm not really sure what Eloi is, but I never said we should do nothing. There's just better things to argue about than the existence of a mythical creature.

And if this was a real debate (please, let's not argue the definition of that), then there'd be evidence, data, and actual scientific fact supporting the existence of werewolves or not.

So, I don't see an argument going on here. Because, like you Neoritter, I believe a good, healthy argument is beneficial. No. What I see here is bickering. And there's a big difference. I should have clarified on that.

[neoritter]

Obviously you haven't read H.G. Wells...

If you are you talking about the posts that occurred 2 some years ago then you're seeing an argument. If it's the ones in the last two months or so, then there is some semblance of debate. Please make the distinction since those trains of thought aren't running anymore.

No the main offense I'm having here is the "grand standing", for lack of a better word, that I'm seeing in you post. And I attempted to diplomatically point it out. But, this is a forum that's for a werewolf comic in the section specifically made for discussion about werewolves. This topic is perfectly valid, the discussion in it is perfectly valid, the people in it are perfectly valid. If you don't want to discuss and debate it, then don't post. Rather than attempt to insult people on this forum.

Now you can call your tone "satirical and spiritual" or whatever you want to call it. But the words being used with the emphasis you attributed to some of them, makes the meaning and the context. Tone is irrelevant and moot in a text based discussion.

Again if you think it's beneath you to participate in this, feel free to not and go about your business. Since you obviously have more important things to do.

BTW - Imaginationland was a reference to South Park. Not here.

[CountryHowl]

Heheh. Alright, well put.

I'll stop arguing, cause you're, for the most part, right. I'm just trying to look into things too much, as usual. I blame the caffeine (and my often derailed train of thought).

And lol about the South Park reference...

And, for the hell of it, I'll give a relevant answer to the original topic. Instead of getting all... I dunno. Hot headed?

No. I don't think werewolves exist outside of fiction and literature. There's whispering facts and some basis for truth, but not enough to say for sure. I WISH they existed. Sure as hell would make things more interesting. But, they don't.

... Heh. I think that should've been my first answer.